I don't think most Americans have normalized Trump's legal problems. I think most Americans are simply fed up with the Department of Justice and the slow pace of whatever the hell they are doing. Trump and his lieutenants should have been arrested on January 21, 2021 and charged with every crime from jaywalking to sedition. That would have been justice, even if the trial would have to wait until after a thorough investigation. Frankly it would have been a more just outcome for the domestic terrorists that carried out the attack. At this point many of them have been punished while their leaders continue to walk free. That feels like a problem to me.
There is and has not been normalcy with anything concerning former president trump. He had solely redefined American politics in the most egregious manner possible.
trump lies about everything. Nothing is sacred except his enormous ego, narcissism and penchant for power accumulation.
He is as vile an individual as a malignant cancer metastasizing upon America.
Ari, in a single word democracy is at stake within each of the probes; while not sounding overzealous and or thumping my chest with the statement, each probe has at the onset the distinction and the ability to impact our democracy in various degrees of importance. All are important because as my colleagues have stated on this platform so eloquently is that the normal everyday person, would have been in the proverbial orange jumpsuit facing charges already which also impacts our democracy because of the different standards mentality when one has either money or power; but as you say on the show Ari, that is the authoritarian playbook in the real world.
What I find galling and sinister is the repeated abuse of the legal system by the ex President… he has in many way set precedent of how to skirt , dodge, and often times abuse the legal levers of justice to allow for better outcomes, which harms democracy.
All in all, the non peaceful transfer of power after the election when he called on his followers to alter history for his political gains is the worst of the many probes, our democracy held but it bent and is still impacting our democracy.
Lastly I would say the country aside from his supporters are tired of the repeated legal problems as they have gone nowhere or somehow it gets negotiated with some plea deal. Equal standards for all with no deference just because of who you are !!!
Just wow. Excellent summary and a clear read thank you. Trump has been skirting legal ramifications for years. He is a narcissist and feels he is above the law and the law does not apply to him. With that being said if he is not indicted on any of the obvious illegal implications then is not the people correct in saying only the poor and middle class are subject to the law. This is big in the fact it effects the trust the people do have, or could have in justice. Sorry for the long comment, I could go on and on lol
Being 77 years old and a member of a large percentage of our population not to mention a member of a large percentage of our population that have a very BAD taste in their mouth for the nasty human being that was our president, it is a travesty that we may never see that man receive his comeuppance.
Success is not how large your bank account is your sucess is how your viewed as a human being.
Hi Ari, Most of this has been covered by you, in great detail, on the Beat. If you look at Trumps attitude it says it all. He knows that he will never pay for what he’s done. He can’t be hurt. He admits that if he’s charged it will help him in his run for reelection, and it will. Some ask why he isn’t campaigning harder, why should he, why would he, when he knows it’s “in the bag”. The Dems need to MOVE. We can’t afford to wait a minute longer to silence him & his followers in Congress, most of whom are also getting away with all but murder. I wish we could look forward to the next election, but right now it’s a scary prospect. BTW, love all you do on the Beat that takes us away from all of this...our light at the end of the tunnel. 🤷🏼♀️🐰
Yes. I think that it’s a case of overload. There’s just so much that he’s done and said (and continues to do and say) that people become numb. Trump has successfully evaded all the legal issues he’s faced by muddying the waters, witness tampering, and many other delaying tactics. I continue to hope that he will face serious consequences, but I won’t be surprised if he succeeds and gets away with his many crimes again.
He ( Trump) has been as slippery as an eel for years. I am in the ..wait and see position at this point. I think as others who have stated..if this was me or the average person, we would be in jail or at least have had charges against us. I am waiting for Georgia, or Florida charges to be revealed. I think those cases or stronger.
Hi Ari, The New York DA intends to use a state law crime to prosecute a federal candidate. In other words, the prosecutor is moving toward an indictment for felony charges through falsification of business records. There is the burden of proving Trump intended to violate election laws. I don’t think those on the Special Grand Jury want to grapple with complicated election laws.
The Georgia Fulton County Special Grand Jury completed it’s work recently. DA Willis can move to file criminal charges, but she still needs to present her case to a regular grand jury who will have the power to issue any criminal indictments.
I am afraid that some people may have normalized the “documents case” at Mar a Lago.
Special Counsel, Jack Smith’s investigation into the sedition and subversive activities in around the 6 January probe is the most important. It is encouraging to know that Smith is not afraid of the unknown. Smith clearly has the ability to move aggressively and skillfully. I often wondered in the beginning of the 6 January insurrection, who funded the legal expenses for Trump’s inner circle. In addition, who and how was money distributed to the foot soldiers in the coup. Perhaps, Jack Smith can connect these dots.
Trump’s legal problems have already been normalized--for rich Americans, and for the many who rushed into the Capitol and received a slap on the wrist or nothing at all. The cases held by Jack Smith are by far, the most important, because it’s about our constitution--the very thing that affords us the opportunity to even discuss these issues on this platform. Trump isn’t free, just because of his tactics, he’s gone unpunished, secondary to the cowards in law enforcement: Bob Mueller, Cyrus Vance Jr, Merrick Garland; the corrupt: Bill Barr, Rudy Giuliani, and the countless, unnamed NY FBI, prosecutors--and congressional lawmakers! Still, it is my belief that he will deservedly, be incarcerated.
I'm curious to know if perhaps Fox so called news may have violated their broadcast license(s) with the broadcasting of such grave lies resulting in penalties or even loss of license (s)?
Good morning. I haven’t normalized any of Trump’s legal problems or behavior, but I know many friends and family have tuned him out. I think he’s counting on that. He’s clearly being treated differently than you or I would be- and I think fear is an underlying factor. Fear of going up against Goliath and his base. I think the most important case will be the one that produces a swift felony conviction because that would preclude Trump from running for President. But in the alternate universe we seem to live in he would make an end run on that. Hard to be optimistic but my hopes are with Jack Smith.
Watching your Tucker segment….how about the Republicans who booed tucker for promoting truth with Republicans. These voters and activists need to be highlighted, questioned and made to answer for the role they play in weakening our nation and emboldening election deniers, promoting/amplifying conspiracy theories and inciting hate and violence.
The arc of the moral universe really is long; it feels like eternity. I feel eroded not normalized by Trump/MAGA ethos. I think he eroded our hope for fairness and honesty in our laws by escaping legal consequences so far. If the evidence supports criminal indictments then I think political considerations should be irrelevant. I think the thud you described is a function of the glacial pace for any accountability for this man. For me the most serious infraction relates to the events of January 6th insurrection attempt. I am not a lawyer so I don’t understand how defendants can utilize legal stalling. Is there a legal end point or can defendants stall forever? Michael Cohen wasn’t able to stall his way out of serving time. I wish I understood the laws that govern this. It apparently is legal but seems so shady. I think that plays into why we all feel demoralized by chances of Trump facing justice.
I don't think most Americans have normalized Trump's legal problems. I think most Americans are simply fed up with the Department of Justice and the slow pace of whatever the hell they are doing. Trump and his lieutenants should have been arrested on January 21, 2021 and charged with every crime from jaywalking to sedition. That would have been justice, even if the trial would have to wait until after a thorough investigation. Frankly it would have been a more just outcome for the domestic terrorists that carried out the attack. At this point many of them have been punished while their leaders continue to walk free. That feels like a problem to me.
There is and has not been normalcy with anything concerning former president trump. He had solely redefined American politics in the most egregious manner possible.
trump lies about everything. Nothing is sacred except his enormous ego, narcissism and penchant for power accumulation.
He is as vile an individual as a malignant cancer metastasizing upon America.
The rich and connected get away with murder and the average and poor go to jail
Ari, in a single word democracy is at stake within each of the probes; while not sounding overzealous and or thumping my chest with the statement, each probe has at the onset the distinction and the ability to impact our democracy in various degrees of importance. All are important because as my colleagues have stated on this platform so eloquently is that the normal everyday person, would have been in the proverbial orange jumpsuit facing charges already which also impacts our democracy because of the different standards mentality when one has either money or power; but as you say on the show Ari, that is the authoritarian playbook in the real world.
What I find galling and sinister is the repeated abuse of the legal system by the ex President… he has in many way set precedent of how to skirt , dodge, and often times abuse the legal levers of justice to allow for better outcomes, which harms democracy.
All in all, the non peaceful transfer of power after the election when he called on his followers to alter history for his political gains is the worst of the many probes, our democracy held but it bent and is still impacting our democracy.
Lastly I would say the country aside from his supporters are tired of the repeated legal problems as they have gone nowhere or somehow it gets negotiated with some plea deal. Equal standards for all with no deference just because of who you are !!!
Just wow. Excellent summary and a clear read thank you. Trump has been skirting legal ramifications for years. He is a narcissist and feels he is above the law and the law does not apply to him. With that being said if he is not indicted on any of the obvious illegal implications then is not the people correct in saying only the poor and middle class are subject to the law. This is big in the fact it effects the trust the people do have, or could have in justice. Sorry for the long comment, I could go on and on lol
I agree with Peter 100%.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
Being 77 years old and a member of a large percentage of our population not to mention a member of a large percentage of our population that have a very BAD taste in their mouth for the nasty human being that was our president, it is a travesty that we may never see that man receive his comeuppance.
Success is not how large your bank account is your sucess is how your viewed as a human being.
Hi Ari, Most of this has been covered by you, in great detail, on the Beat. If you look at Trumps attitude it says it all. He knows that he will never pay for what he’s done. He can’t be hurt. He admits that if he’s charged it will help him in his run for reelection, and it will. Some ask why he isn’t campaigning harder, why should he, why would he, when he knows it’s “in the bag”. The Dems need to MOVE. We can’t afford to wait a minute longer to silence him & his followers in Congress, most of whom are also getting away with all but murder. I wish we could look forward to the next election, but right now it’s a scary prospect. BTW, love all you do on the Beat that takes us away from all of this...our light at the end of the tunnel. 🤷🏼♀️🐰
Yes. I think that it’s a case of overload. There’s just so much that he’s done and said (and continues to do and say) that people become numb. Trump has successfully evaded all the legal issues he’s faced by muddying the waters, witness tampering, and many other delaying tactics. I continue to hope that he will face serious consequences, but I won’t be surprised if he succeeds and gets away with his many crimes again.
I think most people are exhausted with this rhetoric and Trump. It’s been going on for so many years. so at this point it’s a wait and see.
The outcome has to be an indictment
To set the precedent for future Indictments.
He ( Trump) has been as slippery as an eel for years. I am in the ..wait and see position at this point. I think as others who have stated..if this was me or the average person, we would be in jail or at least have had charges against us. I am waiting for Georgia, or Florida charges to be revealed. I think those cases or stronger.
Hi Ari, The New York DA intends to use a state law crime to prosecute a federal candidate. In other words, the prosecutor is moving toward an indictment for felony charges through falsification of business records. There is the burden of proving Trump intended to violate election laws. I don’t think those on the Special Grand Jury want to grapple with complicated election laws.
The Georgia Fulton County Special Grand Jury completed it’s work recently. DA Willis can move to file criminal charges, but she still needs to present her case to a regular grand jury who will have the power to issue any criminal indictments.
I am afraid that some people may have normalized the “documents case” at Mar a Lago.
Special Counsel, Jack Smith’s investigation into the sedition and subversive activities in around the 6 January probe is the most important. It is encouraging to know that Smith is not afraid of the unknown. Smith clearly has the ability to move aggressively and skillfully. I often wondered in the beginning of the 6 January insurrection, who funded the legal expenses for Trump’s inner circle. In addition, who and how was money distributed to the foot soldiers in the coup. Perhaps, Jack Smith can connect these dots.
Trump’s legal problems have already been normalized--for rich Americans, and for the many who rushed into the Capitol and received a slap on the wrist or nothing at all. The cases held by Jack Smith are by far, the most important, because it’s about our constitution--the very thing that affords us the opportunity to even discuss these issues on this platform. Trump isn’t free, just because of his tactics, he’s gone unpunished, secondary to the cowards in law enforcement: Bob Mueller, Cyrus Vance Jr, Merrick Garland; the corrupt: Bill Barr, Rudy Giuliani, and the countless, unnamed NY FBI, prosecutors--and congressional lawmakers! Still, it is my belief that he will deservedly, be incarcerated.
I'm curious to know if perhaps Fox so called news may have violated their broadcast license(s) with the broadcasting of such grave lies resulting in penalties or even loss of license (s)?
Good morning. I haven’t normalized any of Trump’s legal problems or behavior, but I know many friends and family have tuned him out. I think he’s counting on that. He’s clearly being treated differently than you or I would be- and I think fear is an underlying factor. Fear of going up against Goliath and his base. I think the most important case will be the one that produces a swift felony conviction because that would preclude Trump from running for President. But in the alternate universe we seem to live in he would make an end run on that. Hard to be optimistic but my hopes are with Jack Smith.
Watching your Tucker segment….how about the Republicans who booed tucker for promoting truth with Republicans. These voters and activists need to be highlighted, questioned and made to answer for the role they play in weakening our nation and emboldening election deniers, promoting/amplifying conspiracy theories and inciting hate and violence.
No one is holding them to account either!
The arc of the moral universe really is long; it feels like eternity. I feel eroded not normalized by Trump/MAGA ethos. I think he eroded our hope for fairness and honesty in our laws by escaping legal consequences so far. If the evidence supports criminal indictments then I think political considerations should be irrelevant. I think the thud you described is a function of the glacial pace for any accountability for this man. For me the most serious infraction relates to the events of January 6th insurrection attempt. I am not a lawyer so I don’t understand how defendants can utilize legal stalling. Is there a legal end point or can defendants stall forever? Michael Cohen wasn’t able to stall his way out of serving time. I wish I understood the laws that govern this. It apparently is legal but seems so shady. I think that plays into why we all feel demoralized by chances of Trump facing justice.